Comments on: Craft vs. Crafty: The Beer Consumer’s Right to Know http://drinkwiththewench.com/2012/12/craft-vs-crafty-the-beer-consumers-right-to-know/ Drinking through the world, one beer at a time. Fri, 06 Mar 2015 13:41:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.0.11 By: sam tierney http://drinkwiththewench.com/2012/12/craft-vs-crafty-the-beer-consumers-right-to-know/comment-page-1/#comment-12605 Fri, 04 Jan 2013 00:17:12 +0000 http://drinkwiththewench.com/?p=9169#comment-12605 We’re never going to get said transparency in beer labeling. It simply has no precedent in consumer goods and I just don’t see the government changing laws for the BA on this matter. Craft brewers also often obscure who brews their beer or what beers they brew, so this runs deeper than just the big guys. I work for a brewery that puts a fictitious brewery’s name on some of the beer that we make because the account we sell it to wants that. Not very craft of us, but then again we also use plenty of corn, though that seems to be OK with the BA because of the specific styles of beer that we use it in.

The only feasible way around this issue is a BA trademark used on beer labels that clearly indicates the status of the beer in the bottle, similar to what the Trappists do. Roll out the program, couple it with a large PR push, and I’m sure it would quickly gain traction. That would be infinitely more productive than this awkward and negative press release and black list (which I guess has since been retracted, proving it’s misguidedness). I still think that most people simply don’t mind if the beer they love is brewed by a large brewer, and those that do care are likely to find out anyway.

I think Blue Moon is the prototypical example of so-called “crafty” because it’s been around the longest. It seems much more likely to me that Coors created Blue Moon Brewing Company to sell the beer not to imitate craft, but to protect the Coors brand from any association with the then very obscure and odd kind of beer they were taking a big chance on. Blue Moon rode on the distribution channels of Coors, but it’s growth was in many ways very organic and actually insanely slow if you consider the typical macro-release mindset.

An accomplished brewer (Keith Villa) with a genuine passion for crafting something different made it happen, even at a brewery like Coors. I can’t hate on that. There was no market for witbier in the US at the time. They weren’t trying to steal anyone’s popularity, just trying to sell beer. All that being said, I don’t drink Blue Moon because I don’t think it’s a good witbier but I can also say the same about countless other beers from so-called craft brewers.

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By: Hey, Brewtiful http://drinkwiththewench.com/2012/12/craft-vs-crafty-the-beer-consumers-right-to-know/comment-page-1/#comment-12072 Thu, 27 Dec 2012 16:35:32 +0000 http://drinkwiththewench.com/?p=9169#comment-12072 I agree. Well said, woman. (My thoughts on the matter… http://www.heybrewtiful.com/2012/12/poseur-prancer-donner-and-ditzy.html)

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By: The Beer Wench http://drinkwiththewench.com/2012/12/craft-vs-crafty-the-beer-consumers-right-to-know/comment-page-1/#comment-11724 Fri, 21 Dec 2012 18:12:15 +0000 http://drinkwiththewench.com/?p=9169#comment-11724 Jace – Thank you for your response! My argument in this post was not in favor of or against the BA’s definition of what is or what isn’t a craft brewer. My argument was in favor of brand ownership transparency. I think it is wonderful that Schells is still family owned, THAT is what American business is supposed to be about. What I am calling for, and what the BA also called for in their statement, is for beer brands to reveal their ownership on their labels. This would not require you, as a privately-owned company, to change your labeling. Essentially, it would require the Bud/ Miller/ Coors/ Fosters etc. brands to reveal that they are brewed by a larger, publicly-traded, foreign-owned company.

As for the definition of a “craft brewer”, I agree with you that the lines get blurry when discussing private, family-owned companies like Schells. The use of the word “traditional” in their definition, as you point out, is a bit questionable and confusing. Hopefully, they will listen to your concerns and adjust the definition accordingly!

As for a visit, I would love to!!

Cheers,

Ashley

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By: Jace Marti http://drinkwiththewench.com/2012/12/craft-vs-crafty-the-beer-consumers-right-to-know/comment-page-1/#comment-11720 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 20:25:08 +0000 http://drinkwiththewench.com/?p=9169#comment-11720 Ashley-
I can assure you that my response to the BA is 100% genuine, and not some convoluted argument designed to continue pulling the wool over the eyes of consumers. We’re a small, family owned brewery, that has always brewed an American Lager. We’ve never tried to hide to hide that from anyone, and are extremely proud of our history and tradition. Lumping us in with the big guys and suggesting that we are some evil giant corporate juggernaut out to destroy craft beer is pretty disingenuous. Seeking to capitalize on the mounting success of craft beer? Hardly. We’ve been brewing all-malt, German style beers for over 30 years now, and were there at the forefront of the whole craft beer revolution. I understand your call for transparency, and we are all for it. Come visit us sometime, I’d be happy to show you or anyone else the brewery so you can see for yourself that there’s nothing “crafty” going on here.

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By: Charles Bockway http://drinkwiththewench.com/2012/12/craft-vs-crafty-the-beer-consumers-right-to-know/comment-page-1/#comment-11717 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 15:30:34 +0000 http://drinkwiththewench.com/?p=9169#comment-11717 Ashley,
I liked your discussion of ingredient labeling, GMOs and the consumer’s right to know. In the interest of disclosure, don’t you think it’s time we put ingredient and calorie labeling on beer voluntarily? The BA could suggest a standardized format for those who would like to participate. It could include a GMO/nonGMO statement too.

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By: Joel A. Ohmer` http://drinkwiththewench.com/2012/12/craft-vs-crafty-the-beer-consumers-right-to-know/comment-page-1/#comment-11714 Tue, 18 Dec 2012 04:38:00 +0000 http://drinkwiththewench.com/?p=9169#comment-11714 Transparency is always a good thing, IMHO.

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By: 9 Beers Americans No Longer Drink … and Why Big Beer Doesn’t Get It (Part 2) | This Is Why I'm Drunk http://drinkwiththewench.com/2012/12/craft-vs-crafty-the-beer-consumers-right-to-know/comment-page-1/#comment-11712 Mon, 17 Dec 2012 11:44:18 +0000 http://drinkwiththewench.com/?p=9169#comment-11712 […] part of this argument, Ashley Routson has pointed out that “most conscientious consumers believe in voting with their wallet,” which is […]

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By: The Beer Wench http://drinkwiththewench.com/2012/12/craft-vs-crafty-the-beer-consumers-right-to-know/comment-page-1/#comment-11709 Sun, 16 Dec 2012 03:15:30 +0000 http://drinkwiththewench.com/?p=9169#comment-11709 Jeff,

I’m suggesting exactly what the Brewer’s Association made a call to action for in its statement – transparency. Does this mean transparency in labeling? Most likely, yes. Consumers have the right know who owns the company that makes the product they enjoy. After being educated, they can make a decision on whether or not to purchase said product.

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By: The Beer Wench http://drinkwiththewench.com/2012/12/craft-vs-crafty-the-beer-consumers-right-to-know/comment-page-1/#comment-11708 Sun, 16 Dec 2012 03:12:54 +0000 http://drinkwiththewench.com/?p=9169#comment-11708 Todd,

Good points, but my argument was not about the Brewers Association’s definition of what is craft. It was an argument in favor of transparency in labeling. Consumers deserve to know who really own the companies that make the products that we love and enjoy. And then, when they have been given that information, then they can decide whether or not to drink or eat it. I no longer buy Kashi because it belongs to Kellogs. Does that mean Kashi makes bad products? No, not at all. I find their food to be quite delicious. But, I don’t like supporting companies like Kellogs so I no longer spend my dollar on Kashi.

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By: Jeff Bull http://drinkwiththewench.com/2012/12/craft-vs-crafty-the-beer-consumers-right-to-know/comment-page-1/#comment-11707 Sat, 15 Dec 2012 16:54:46 +0000 http://drinkwiththewench.com/?p=9169#comment-11707 Curious… what are you suggesting then, Ashley?

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